The Footballers Evaluation Result

Update for 1st half 2016 - 2017 season


I. Introduction and Historical Ranking Review

     The football game is the sports competed by teamwork. It is anyway undeniable that the extraordinary individual footballers who performed and made a high impact on the team is one of the main attractive identities of football. Although football game’s main purpose is to win the trophy, the annual awards have been given to players indicates the social value on individual performance. Moreover, the discussion about all-time best players are widely interested and popularized among football fans while none of official historical awards was ever held.  
       IFFHS Player of the Century[1] Election in 1999 that was based on polls of journalists and former players but no specific detail are revealed. World Soccer Magazine[2], conducted the polls for its reader and applied the points for voting points. As the votes is just depend on personal view or criteria of the voters, the large different factors were distributed within a poll result that is eventually unable to conclude the status of the best and the biased selection is commonly existed. 
    Association of football statisticians (AFS) made ranking by considering goalscores against match plays and position for forwards and midfielders, the matches without conceding a goal for defender and goalkeeper and matches to play as captain including titles won. However, the result is noticeable that standard of competition against those statistics are not applied and some quantitative attributes are goal conceding and titles is characterized as team performance.    

    There is none of the historical ranking works based on performance evaluation found. Thus, this work is attempted to study and evaluate all-time best performers in overall career by complying and analyzing the verified secondary evidences such as awards, media rating, quantitative statistical analysis or even valuable interpretation or surmise from articles/discussion and applied to the methodological implementation to establish the all-time best players ranking by individual performance of all positions combined.


II. Methodology


III. Implementation


    Classification of players’ performance by season for club part or by tournament or international part from direct/indirect evidences of rating and calculated the rating point that is at least in international-class range with participating quantitative value in partition unit. Then applying proportional weight from highest to lowest and applying positional coefficient for goalkeeper and defender. Then, bringing the points in each part of competition level to combine based on given proportion by the given conditional criteria to calculate for the basic score. Additional historical/age bonus, performance state and total ability are totally calculated as a conditional margin.     



IV. Result


The Greatest Football Players of All-Time

















In seasonal rating, the seasonal year shows the year of the 2nd half season such as 12 means (2011 -2012 season). Amount of performance is also considered based on appearances. 



  A means Great Young & Old Age Bonus, H means Historical Greatness Bonus

Statistics (Top 100)


By Nation

By Decade


By Position

Brazil : 17
Germany : 10
Italy : 10
Argentina : 9
Hungary : 7
Netherlands : 7
England : 6
Spain : 5
Uruguay : 4
France : 4
Austria : 4
Portugal : 3
Denmark : 2
Czechoslovakia : 2
Yugoslavia : 1
Soviet Union : 1
Bulgaria : 1
Northern Ireland : 1
Wales : 1
Peru : 1
Chile : 1

1910s : -
1920s : 2
1930s : 5.5
1940s : 9
1950s : 16.5
1960s : 15
1970s : 18.5
1980s : 11
1990s : 11.5
2000s : 9
2010s : 2


 By Continent

 Europe : 68
 Americas : 32


Goalkeeper : 8
Defender : 13
Central Midfielder : 17
Offensive Lateral  : 11
Offensive Midfielder : 21
Forward : 23
Striker : 9








The Greatest Domestic Footballers of All-Time





The Greatest International Country Footballers of All-Time





















The Greatest International Club Footballers of All-Time





V. Discussion

          The methodological system is designed to find the solution between peak and consistency of players’ entire career performance by applying proportional weight, covering all conditions and circumstances throughout history and the opportune limitation of players’ participation is also categorized and standardized. However, the surmise and interpretation on the restriction of secondary evidences is inevitably biased. By this context, the qualitative evaluation for input the system is unscientifically approached but highly involved with value creation by social value.
         Pele become the number one as expected and unanimously beat his perpetual candidates Diego Maradona. The domestic performance is not significantly different between the two when Maradona proved himself in a higher standard of competition but not as consistent as Pele. Internationally, Maradona has an obvious advantage in national team career when he performed in a higher influential level on Argentina in World Cup than Pele who was questionable to ever achieve any player of the tournament. However, the decisive part is international club stage where Maradona’s club were often eliminated in the earlier rounds and also did not participate in several seasons as his club did not qualify.
            Johan Cruyff follow Maradona is a little margin mainly from his superiority in international club that he led Ajax to dominate Europe during the early 1970s. Di Stefano, who is rated as the best int. club performer ever, is however uncompetitive for his lack of opportunity to participate in World Cup although the circumstance prevention has been included in the system.
         Zico who is widely rated out of top 10 best players ever for the most sources due to his below-standard performance in World Cup. Moreover, he rarely got the opportunity to play in Copa Libertadores Cup. In contrary, his domestic performance is often into the topic discussion to be comparable with Maradona. His contemporary Platini is better internationally but achieved a lower peak career that is a decisive factor to be beaten.
          Puskas, Zidane and Matthaeus obtains the same rating with a similar profile of consistency in all competitions level. Matthaus is the most consistent player ever that allows him to be competitive against other high talented players.
         Although the system give a higher weight from the peak descending to the decline, Marco Van Basten, George Best, and Ronaldinho were evaluated below top 25. The large disappearances is a main reason for the first two and the long decline period for Ronaldinho.     
         The best goalkeeper ever Lev Yashin also appeared below top 25. He was not successful in World Cup by his own standard. Paolo Maldini, the best pure defender ever, beat his senior Franco Baresi by greater international opportunity even Baresi’s peak is rated higher.
         Stanley Matthews become the most overrated player ever when he is often voted in top 20 players of all-time although he just became a regular starter of England lately at 23 years old and then the war prevented him from football for 7 years. He came back impressively if consider his age but achieve very little with his club and he never became star of World Cup that England was failure in related tournaments.

         Lionel Messi is likely to finish second place the least at the end of his career and he should qualify the 2018 World Cup final again with a great performance to challenge Pele’s place officially.   


Reference

[1] http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/iffhs-century.html
[3]http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/afstop100.html             

250 comments:

  1. Anonymous9/30/2014

    Hahaha, this is ridicules. Maradona wc90 better than messi in wc14, Maradona had 1 assist and zero goals, Messi had 1 assist 4 goals and third most dribbles in world cup history, behind Maradona 86 and Jairzinho 70, maradona participated in 20% of his teams goals and Messi participated in 63% of his teams goals (75 if we count that assist for own goal). They both reached finals, Messi got Golden ball and Maradona got Bronze ball. And yes i have watched all of Maradona's body of work in that world cup on youtube channel memo5404 and i have watched every game of Argentina in this world cup so i know what i'm talking about.

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  2. Anonymous10/02/2014

    Seriously, i want to hear your reasoning behind this, if there is any.

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    1. Primarily it is based on filtration of media rating evidence such as Kicker, Dbscalcio, Placar, etc. For many others whom evidence of rating is unavailable, Awards, Statistics, Watch, Technique (such as determination of peak years from all-time status and compare to other lower performance season), etc are combined to make rating approximation.

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    2. Anonymous10/02/2014

      I understand but what exactly made you think that maradona in wc90 was better than, messi in wc14?

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    3. I consider the 1990 World Cup as one of the most competitive tournaments and must be far higher standard than the recent 2014. I saw Maradona played in that tournament when I was just 12 years old, he was very influence to his team and definitely it is more difficult to win the ball from Maradona than Messi despite there was a higher number of world-class defenders. Messi is arguably not deserved to win Golden Ball and all medias did not rate him as MVP, most of them even left him in tournament best XI. I personally rate him in top three best player but not the best for sure since he played superbly in only first four games.

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    4. Anonymous10/03/2014

      But 1 assist >4 goals 1 assist
      63%>20%
      and third most dribbles ever for messi

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    5. Anonymous4/29/2015

      Can you please link some sources from media where he was left out of the first XI?

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    6. Now I remember Castrol did not rate him in the 2014 World Cup All-stars team.

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  3. Anonymous10/11/2014

    you have jairzinho two times in greatest national team players

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    1. OK, his better place one has actually been forgotten to erase for update. Now I name Iniesta in top 50 best NT performer and also adjust some ranking slightly (J.L.Andrade and Sindelar)

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  4. Dear Readers

    The list of the domestic best ever has been completely implemented from systematic calculation.
    International club and international country will be followed to complete within this month according to the plan.

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  5. Anonymous11/19/2014

    Can you clarify a bit your system for best domestic competition players.

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    1. Thanks you for interesting in the methodological system which has long been experimented in many ways until it achieves divisibility although it is rather complicated. I'd say methodology is very important as it is helpful in managing qualitative and quantitative performance, ability and skill within complex model of football history but it is overlooked by many.

      Basically, You can find in the historical rating methodology clause 1.6 and I'll give example to you in the near future.

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    2. Anonymous11/19/2014

      I understand it a bit better now but i would really appreciate an example in near future, so thanks.

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    3. Before I’d give example, I’d explain this methodological system is just fully independent from the view of rating of player’s performance (classify player into such phenomenon, world-class and international-class) in which I think it is much more difficult to make accuracy.
      Now let me give an example of Pele
      One full season in Brazilian league state league and one full season of Brazilian national league (Taca Brasil + Torneio Rio Sao Paulo) is considered as a half of season. However, it will be calculated amount of performance base on number of appearances/total games play whch start at below 90 % of participation.
      Partitioning : Pele’classification by season will be quantitatively partitioned equally at 1 season and will descend from best season to worst season.
      In example, Pele achieved 2.5 phenomenon season with following 4.8 supreme world-class
      First Partition : Full Phenomenon (point = 1)
      Second Partition : Full Phenomenon (point = 1)
      Third Partition : Semi-Phenomenon (0.5 season) (point = 1), Semi-Supreme-world-class (0.5 season) (point = 0.9)
      So this partition will be calculated based on ratio (0.5 x 1) + (0.5 x 0.9) and the result would be 0.95.
      And the next partitions will be followed by the same method.
      *Phenomenon-Class point : 1, Supreme World-Class : 0.9, Ordinary World-Class : 0.8, Supreme-International Class : 0.7. Note that below these classes will not be given a point because it is below competitive standard average between all-time greats. However, if any player had a national level season within their 8 best continuous seasons, they will deduct the point (only Ronaldinho and Baggio has been deducted).
      And then each partition will pair with sequence coefficient to be multiplied together.
      *Sequence Coefficient is reduced 25 % in every value (multiply with 0.75).
      First Coefficient : 1
      Second Coefficient : 1 * 0.75 = 0.75
      Third Coefficient : 0.75 * 0.75 = 0.563
      ………………….
      So first partition will multiply with first coefficient and finally all multiplied pairs will be plus together. In example of Pele would be (1x1)+(1x0.75)+(0.95*0.563)+…..
      The purpose of this method is to give higher proportion in the peak season and the worse season will be less important.
      Then this amount will be divided by sum of first ten coefficient value because I consider ten seasons as standard of all players in longevity of career so that means player with more greater number of seasons will be advantageous but not by much because from 11th coefficient will be remaindered very low value and it is also started to increase in reduction at 50 %.

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    4. Anonymous11/20/2014

      Thanks for this very detailed explenation, i just have ine question. Are all phenomenon seasons worth 1, and all supreme world class worth 0.9? Is there aby difference between seasons in the same class?

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    5. Actual level of players could be varied with narrower scale than 0.1 but the fact that we cannot differentiate this level so it will be equal in each class likes you ask.

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    6. Anonymous11/20/2014

      And what do letters N and S behind some seasons mean? H is for half but what is N and S for?

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    7. S and N is used for only Brazilian domestic football league
      N mean national league and S mean state league

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  6. Anonymous11/27/2014

    How are media rankings ranked when comparing average grades, i mean for example: in spain grades are the highest, then in italian league they give lower grades, i'm not sure if you understand what i mean?

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    1. I’m clearly understand your point. Italian Grade is set more than 6.5 to be considered as a world-class rating. English and Spanish La LIga is set at least 7.00. These values is determined from group of sample of players’ rating and a minor group of players in history could achieve the lower limited criteria.

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    2. Anonymous11/27/2014

      It seems to me that in English league they give lower grades than in La liga, but i could be wrong. How is systematic implementation going? I can't wait to see it in its final stage in top 50 list. You are one of rare people that actually have a methodology to rank players, others are just using whatever suits them.

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    3. Actually it is also depend on player’s position. Xavi was rated below 7.00 in his prime seasons. For only forward, Spanish league has a slight higher rating (0.2 – 0.3).
      I need to postpone schedule plan of top 50 players scorecard to the end of this year. Recently, I found international country football is more complicated than I thought due to several limited condition of players’ nonparticipation. So, I have set a new table of criteria adjustment and have gradually implemented to a few players, will finish soon. Anyway, not all players in top 50 best ever list is named in all list of domestic, int club and int country scorecard, the further work is to complete the remainder of them.

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    4. Anonymous11/27/2014

      Ok, thanks.

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  7. Anonymous12/09/2014

    What does it mean, for example that eusebio has 0.9 phenomenon seasons? Does it mean that 1/10 of his season wasn't phenomenal and the other 9/10 was?

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    1. 0.9 is an amount of phenomenon. Because Eusebio played less than 25 games in that season, it will be calculated amount based on ratio (actual number/90 percent x total games number). In case of Eusebio in 1968 will be 24/30*0.9 = 0.89 = 0.9 approximately.

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  8. Dear, Readers

    The scorecard of all-time greatest national team players have been completed in top 40. The system is much more complicated than the domestic competition when the competitions were held in many formats with irregular participants and different frequencies of the tournaments.

    I choose Baggio as an example of systematic implementation.

    Primary Criteria refer to International Country Primary Criteria Standard Table (Please find in Historical Rating Methodology)
    In Baggio times, it is overlapped between two periods according to the table (80s to 1995 and 1996 onwards) so the criteria will be calculated based on ratio between two periods. A result provide as below ;
    World Cup : 46 Percent, UEFA Euro : 24 Percent
    World Cup Qualifying : 14 Percent, Euro Qualifying : 15 Percent
    Minor Tournaments : 2 games (0.7 % per game at maximum) will be 1.4 Percent
    Friendly Match : 20 Games (0.4 % per game at maximum) will be 8 percent
    Then, His performance with multiplying by amount of performance (Performance Part) will be calculated in each part of competition criteria.
    World Cup : 1994 – Supreme World Class = 0.95, Finalist : Amount of performance = 1
    1990 – Ordinary World-Class = 0.9, Semi-Finalist : Amount of performance = 0.8 1998 : Supreme-International-Class = 0.85, Quarter-Finalist : Amount of performance = 0.6
    As the world cup has been held in every four years, n-value of partition = 3 (refer to International Country N-Value Factor Standard Table)
    Then performance part will be paired to multiply with coefficient ranked from best to lowest.
    1st Partition : Coefficient = 1 ; paired with 1994 World Cup performance part
    2nd Partition : Coefficient = 0.3 : paired with both 1990 (0.8) and 1998 (0.2) performance part
    3rd Partition : Coefficient = 0.09 : paired with the remainder of performance part (0.4)

    Then, the value will be divided by the sum of partition coefficient = 1.39
    ((0.95*1)+(0.89*0.3)+(0.85*0..09*0.4))/1.39 = 0.897

    As the primary criteria of world cup for Baggio is at 46 percent, the secondary criteria will be calculated by multiplying with ratio between amount of partition (1+0.3+(0.09*0.4)) = 1.345 and total partition (1.39). Thus, 46 x 1.345/1.39 = 44.5 approximately. This calculation is provided in purpose to rate players based on opportunity and appropriate proportion between matches played between competitions for a player.
    Conclusion of World Cup performance : 0.897 x 44.5 = 39.94/44.5

    As Baggio never played in UEFA Euro, he would not get any point and also is lost amount of criteria, is calculated refer to International N-Value Adjustment Table
    1st partition lost 0.1, 2nd partition lost 0.3 x 0.3 and 3rd partition lost 0.09
    Total lost amount of partition will be (0.1 + 0.09 + 0.09) = 0.28
    As UEFA Euro criteria is set at 24 percent, the lost amount will be (0.28 x 24) /1.39 = 5 approximately

    Then, repeat the same system to the qualifying competition. The minor tournament and friendly are not required partition.

    When all competitions have been completely calculated, the total criteria is found to be 77.5 percent. Thus, it will be extended the rating to 100 percent and rating and criteria of each competition will be increased based on its own ratio. That means the lost amount in UEFA Euro is also extend.

    For the idea to establish each calculation system could be asked as it has not been written completely.

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  9. Anonymous12/31/2014

    Did you forget Eusebio in nt best players or is he just out of top 40?

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    1. Honesty, I dislike to exclude him from top 40. Eusebio is superb in one tournament of the 1966 world cup but unfortunately Portugal disqualified for all other major tournaments and he got injury in the 1968 Euro qualifying. I have his score slightly below 80.

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    2. Anonymous12/31/2014

      Yeah, i understand. He had great 66 wc but apart from that not much else.

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    3. Another disqualification would be Van Basten who performed in phenomenon class in the 1988 Euro. However, he also failed in 1990 World Cup and scored only one goal in 1986 World Cup qualifying impact his team to disqualify for final tournament. He is evaluated in only 78 point approximately.

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    4. Anonymous12/31/2014

      You should put in the comments scores for players that you calculated but failed to get in the top 50 domestic club players and top 40 nt players.

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    5. I think I may make a scorecard in positional hall of fame for some players whose evidence of rating is sufficient but it would take long time anyway.

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  10. Dear, Readers

    Top 30 International Club Footballers scorecard have been completed by systematic implementation.
    Th methodology is similar to NT scorecard but it is designed in different n-value. European club competition and post-1965 Copa Libertadores Cup is given n = 8.
    Mitropa Cup and pre-1965 Copa Libertadores Cup is given n = 5.
    In each competition has its own coefficient (see in International Club Coefficient Table) to multiply with performance amount.

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    1. Anonymous1/11/2015

      What will be the proportion for final ranking?

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    2. I have set a new table. You can see in the methodology. However, the table could be adjusted again when the final system will have been implemented.

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  11. Anonymous1/12/2015

    I've read your Pele example but can you post the whole calculation? i don't get the right results when i try.

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  12. Matthaeus and Meazza has been named in the international club list which is expanded to 32 players

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  13. Zoff and Rummenigge are a new comer in international club list.
    M.Laudrup and Facchetti are a new comer in international country list.

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    1. Anonymous1/18/2015

      You should leave R. Carlos and who else exited the list as 33. and 34.

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  14. Anonymous1/20/2015

    Did you count inter-cities fairs cup in int. club list?

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    1. Sure, its abbreviation is the same as UEFA Cup (UC)

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    2. I even include Mitropa Cup (MC)

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    3. Anonymous1/20/2015

      Yeah, i know about mitropa cup but wasn't sure about fairs cup.

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  15. An Example of Methodological Implementation of Top 50 Best Ever Evaluating Scorecard

    1) Basic Performance Score
    Refer to Proportional Criteria of Competition Level
    Player Scores of each competition will be proportioned based on this table. The normal case of player in basic international club era would be 45-20-35 and UCL era would be 42-25-33.

    Criteria Adjustment

    For the era or overlapped without international club played, the lose ratio table will be apply.
    In example of Puskas who played in European club in the 1960s. His proportion of international club must be less than 20 because the competition did not held in the first part of his career.
    1948 – 1954 (38.5 %) : The Competition did not held (Lose Ratio 50 % of standard value)
    1956 – 1958 (16.5 %) : The competition was held but Puskas was suspended (Lose Ratio 100 % of standard value)
    1955 Mitropa Cup, 1958 – 1966 European Cup (45 %)

    The Adjusted Proportion would be

    There are 8 partitions in basic international club era but Puskas played around 45 % so his co-ordinate of partitions will be 3.6 and value = 1 + 0.6 + 0.36 +(0.216*0.6) = 2.09

    First Partition Coefficient 1 : Full
    Second Partition Coefficient 0.6 : Full
    Third Partition Coefficient 0.36 : Full
    Fourth Partition Coefficient 0.216 : 60 % Playing
    Fifth Partition Coefficient 0.13
    Sixth Partition Coefficient 0.078
    Seventh Partition Coefficient 0.047
    Eight Partition Coefficient 0.028

    Total Obtained Partition Value = 2.09
    Basic Adjusted Proportion = Basic Proportion*Total Obtained Value/Total Partition Value
    = 20*2.09/2.458 = 17
    Lose Amount = = Basic Proportion*Lose Ratio*(∑Ratio x Non-Participation Coefficient )
    20*0.1*((0.385*0.275)+(0.175*0.55)) = 0.4
    International Club Proportion = 17 + 0.4 = 17.5 approximately

    2 deficit would be considered in compensation. Puskas played in domestic football more than 12 full seasons and missed in only 3 games within 10 best years of appearance. Thus, his case is 100 % compensation distributed to domestic and NT based on basic ratio (45 : 35) = 1 to domestic and 1 to NT approximately.

    2) Bonus Point is added for A : Age (Great Junior & Senior Bonus Table)
    H : Historical Value
    In example Charlton incredibly return from Much Diaster to achieve as one of the best players in the world and win both European Cup and World Cup. Frit Walter impacts to recover Germany from WW II to win the world cup

    3) Conditional Margin Value is consists of Highest and Lowest Performance and Total Ability
    Based on standard credit bond rating as provide ;
    Highest Performance : AA : Marginal Value per a More or Less bond = 0.5
    Lowest Performance : A : Marginal Value per a More or Less bond = 0.25
    Total Ability : B : : Marginal Value per a More or Less bond = 0.5




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  16. Anonymous1/23/2015

    If i counted correctly Maradona's int. club score is 70 and Ronaldo's is 76.1. Right?

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    1. Honesty Maradona is calculated below 70 but I set minimum value for circumstantial prevention.

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    2. Anonymous1/25/2015

      I see, but now Maradona has 75. What changed?

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    3. As a result of review, I set a new system of minimum value of international competition depend on performance in the rest of other two competition levels.

      Maradona reached Phenomenon-class in both Domestic and NT so his minimum value of int.club is set at 75. For players who reached supreme-world class in both competition would obtain 70 in example.

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  17. Anonymous1/25/2015

    You accidentally put Dzajic 2 times and missed Messi at 22. place in national team list.

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    1. Oh, OK at the same time I have add Masopust in the list.

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    2. Anonymous1/25/2015

      In "The Greatest International Country Footballers of All-Time" J. Andrade doesn't have any competitions and I think that the competitions of Monti are wrong.

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    3. Anonymous1/26/2015

      "The Greatest International Club Footballers of All-Time" says that Bochini has a Supreme World Class EC 74, but he never played an EC.

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  18. Anonymous1/26/2015

    Is lowest state of performance lowest in whole career or in 10 best seasons or in some age span?

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    1. It is considered the worst season within the best eleven seasons of players and those is not necessary to be continuous.

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    2. Anonymous1/27/2015

      OK, thanks.

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  19. Anonymous2/04/2015

    Are you going to post real scores for top 50 players for lists they didn't make? For example Maradona's int. club is calculated as 75 but you said that he is in fact below 70.

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    1. In case you make an example of Maradona, I think it has no interesting point to show.
      Anyway, I’ve started implementing for Positional Hall of Fame and will gradually post the scorecard position by position.

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    2. Anonymous2/04/2015

      I meant you calculate as 75 because he had phenomenon class in other two stages but his actual score is lower and i would like to know scores like that for other players who are in similar situation.

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    3. Yes, I got your intention but I'd prefer not post it because it is just a raw data. If you really want to know, I can provide here ;
      Int.Club : Maradona 67.2, Zico, 67.05, Gullit 68.07, Moore 54.08, Romario 61.2, Rivaldo 65.63, Seele 69.00

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    4. Anonymous2/04/2015

      Thank you very much! That's all for int. club, right?

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    5. Yes, no player in top 50 got that low point in NT stage.

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  20. Anonymous2/17/2015

    What is Cond. Margin?

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    1. Conditional Margin, as specified in Rating methodology, is an additional outermost factor to reduce variance of the basic score system from various circumstances. It consists of highest and lowest performance and total ability.

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  21. Anonymous3/14/2015

    Why do Ronaldo and Ronaldinho have the same cond. margin when their highest and lowest state of performance are the same but Ronaldinho has higher ability?

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    1. OK, thanks for notice. I'll re-consider and revise again.

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    2. As I check in my ability rating database, Ronaldo obtain 89.5 and Ronaldinho 89.8, so they should be rated in the same credit bond rating, having been revised.

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  22. Anonymous3/14/2015

    Ronaldinho should be in front of Sarosi. He has higher score.

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    1. As I check again, Sarosi's Central European international cup amount of performance is wrong in my database so I have revised and his final score has been less than Ronaldinho 0.3. To explain why he is ahead of Ronaldinho despite obtaining lower final score, I set criteria that any player who obtain final score less than any player 0.1 to 0.2 (significant value), they can be ranked higher if basic score can compensate the margin. In the case, Sarosi's final score is less than Ronaldinho just 0.1 but he is far higher than Ronaldinho in basic score (0.8 in difference).

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    2. Anonymous3/15/2015

      Applying that criteria, Bozsik, Kopa and Ronaldo are wrong?

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    3. Ronaldo point is showed to be more than Garrincha at 0.2 but I show only the first decimal and it is actually more than 0.2 (but also less than 0.25). Kopa and Meazza is considered in the same basic total score since 0.1 in difference is less than significant value. Then, the third criteria saw Meazza has a better point in basic score + bonus. In case of Bozsik, I’m thinking has he been overrated and is possibly to reduce his point.

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  23. Anonymous4/03/2015

    Sarosi should be in front of Best.

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    1. Not really, 80.9 and 81.0 is not significantly different. When basic score and total score is equal, it will be judged by peak performance.

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    2. Anonymous4/04/2015

      Oh, I understand. I like that you are giving peak performance significance.

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  24. Recently I have a little review of the system and need to adjust some rating points in international club based on what methodology is improved as below ;

    1) I just change criteria of Int.club likes what is specified in NT competition. n-value for the 1960s Copa Libertadores Cup and The 1930s Mitropa Cup has been changed from 4 to 8 equal to European club era. However, the flexible loss ratio is still effective and helps to reduce disadvantage in inferior opportune factors. I also have re-calculated them (Pele, Meazza, Sindelar and Sarosi are all re-calculated and get much lower point)
    In example, Pele’s partition of participation is only 2.6 from total 8. However, he had lower opportunity due to limitation of qualifier. Extent of consideration covers only seasons Santos was a finalist and the competition had not been held in 1959, one representative from Brazil in 1961, and Brazil clubs did not participate in 1966 and 1968. Those season will reduce lose ratio from 100 % to only 50 %.
    As a result, Pele has been led Maradona in all-time ranking just at around 1 point.

    2) Another revision is to get more reasonable deduction for players who did not participate in international club. Aside from compensation by domestic and international country surplus , Now I have taken the reality into account for players in the pre-international club era. For example, Moreno would have much more opportunity to play in international club than Zizinho and Didi if the competition would be existed because River Plate always finished in the top places.
    For heavier case of Rivelino who did not participate despite playing under the existence of competition, should be basically deducted more than others and he has been lowered in ranking.
    However, I’m not divisible in calculation formula to conform with the concept even I have applied the concept into the rating by approximation.

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  25. International Club has been necessarily overhauled again because loss ratio is found to have too high value based on its opportunity of participation. As I revise loss ratio to have less value, point rating in overall system has been increased.

    For International Country, the 1950s Central European International cup, is need to adjust n-value because it played in only twice tournaments (reduce n-value from 3 to 2), however it covers span of players' career (12 years) should get more proportional weight in comparison to other era and also to eliminate the advantage of the tournaments without qualification, amount of performance has been calculated based on finished place in the league.

    These adjustment has impacted on overall top 50 ranking.

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  26. Anonymous4/11/2015

    Do you expect Messi to climb above Beckenbauer or maybe even di Stefano after this season and Copa America (of course it depends on how he performs there, but let's assume ordinary world class or supreme world class)?

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    1. That is currently being spot on. If not injury, he is surely going to surpass Beckenbauer when this season finish and possibly surpass Di Stefano but he need to qualify for deep rounds in either of UCL or Copa America. As he has achieved many great UCL seasons and contrary to his Copa America participation (still less than full 3 partitions), Copa America would be a very important stage and can increase much higher point than UCL.

      To further accede to Cruyff, Maradona and even Pele' throne, it seems rather difficult but I'd say he would make it if not early decline within the next three seasons until the next world cup . We will see what place he would finish.

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    2. Anonymous4/11/2015

      Yeah it will be interesting to see how his career will go on. Don't be too harsh on his ratings ;)

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    3. Note that Messi actually has more opportunity to achieve as the greatest ever than Pele and Maradona who was more limited in circumstance. Pele played in the era Brazilian clubs did not enter in Copa Libertadotes Cup during the second half 1960s while Maradona played in smaller club Napoli in more competitive league which has also less opportunity to participate in European Competition.

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  27. Anonymous4/11/2015

    I think Bobby Charlton's Final Score is wrong.

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    1. Not really wrong but he is still below Gerd Muller when his superior basic score is twice times less than his inferior final score to Gers Muller.

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  28. Anonymous4/12/2015

    Gento, C.Ronaldo and Rivera are not in the correct order in int. club list.

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  29. Anonymous4/12/2015

    In domestic table do you also consider cup or just league, honestly, do you take cup into account really or just as a tie-breaker or something like that.

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    1. As specified in methodology, it always includes domestic cup if available (20 %). The fact that South American nations have no cup competition in the past, they have not deducted any point, but still Argentinian (Metropolitano + Nacional) and Brazilian domestic competition (national + state) has enough games to compensate the cup competition.

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  30. Anonymous4/13/2015

    Firstly, the ranking table in world's all-time greatest footballers doesn't match with the table final score. Secondly, why Messi has a very high level than C.Ronaldo? Aren't C.Ronaldo has done in his career great enough?

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    1. I'm revising deduction points criteria of international club for players who did participate in the competition.

      For C.Ronaldo VS Messi, you should check the rating by competition and by season I have specified and make question on it.

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  31. Anonymous4/16/2015

    Gento, C.Ronaldo and Rivera are not in the correct order in int. club list.

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  32. Please wait, I have not made decision if player would be maximum at n = 8 (number of partitioned participation) or they should get bonus in case n > 8. This is a case of Maldini and Gento.

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  33. Dear, Readers

    As I have completed calculation of all players’s raw performance rating in all players within positional hall of fame, The methodology has been once again adjusted as aforementioned include the most recent improvement with reduction of conditional margin point to eliminate unnecessary advantage of repetitive peak amount and this let to adjustment in every lists of competition-level based greatest ever which has become more stable as a final step of implementation. Please see details as below.

    1) Top 50 Best Ever

    1.1 the fact that Pedernera has too limited opportunity even consider based on his own era with too few participated in South American Championship less than full two tournaments. I need to name Passarella back again.

    1.2 Rivaldo was underrated by me as being overlooked for his great performance in Brazilian league and the recalculation saw his higher rank to 41th.

    2) Domestic Best Ever

    2.1 Julinho Botelho is definitely deserved to be made the list as he was even superior to Garrincha prior to the 1958 World Cup final when he was a starter of Brazilian national team. His three seasons at Fiorentina is also great enough to be considered by the club’s fan as their best player ever. He also came back to Brazil and was successful with Palmeiras.

    2.2 Kubala, Scirea and Rivaldo all came in the latter of ranking. The one would be surprised is Hanappi but he was too complete and consistency through the 1950s for being overlooked.

    3) Int.Club Best Ever

    3.1 As revised, I’m not limited partition of players anymore so Maldini and Gent are the only two who achieved more than 8 partitions and are benefitted from the amendment.

    3.2 Maier, Seedorf and Bremner are the new comer in the latter of ranking.

    4) NT Best Ever

    This system is very difficult to develop to the divisible point based on advantage/disadvantage of opportunity. It is undeniable some goalkeepers and defenders would be advantage as the position is not popular to be substituted. However, I already give limitation on the actual potential of defensive position even it cannot 100 % eliminate advantage in specific cases.

    4.1 Hector Scarone is known to play against lower amateur/semi-professional opponents than later era so his level is stipulated below players in professional era. Even so, his long-run participation and achieved as one of the most decorated international country players ever must be admitted.

    4.2 Georghe Hagi : His long contribution for Romania is too impressive even Romania never made the semi-finalist in international major competitions.

    4.3 Brehme, Casillas, Buffon and Figo all are newly appeared in the latter of ranking.

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  34. Anonymous4/26/2015

    Messi has higher score than Beckenbauer in domestic table, should be in front.

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  35. Anonymous4/26/2015

    Also Charlton should be in front of Eusebio in final table.

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  36. Anonymous5/07/2015

    Charlton should be in front of eusebio.

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  37. Now the top 50 best ever scorecard has been added % and revise criteria for equal in total point.
    Primary : Peak, Secondary : Basic Score, Thirdly : Lowest Performance

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  38. Anonymous5/08/2015

    Why Xavi is below a few players with less Total Score?

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  39. Anonymous5/08/2015

    Buffon (79.2 final score) is in front of Xavi (79.4 final score). J. Andrade (78.5) is in front of Iniesta and Sastre (78.7). Schiaffino (77.6) is in front of Vogts and Varela (77.8). R. Carlos (77.6) is behind Sammer and Bican (77.4).

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  40. Anonymous5/09/2015

    Do you think that John Charles doesn't belong in top 50 or you just missed him? I understand why he is not in positional hall of fame (he played equally good 2 positions) so i thought that you might have forgot about him.

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    1. I forgot him at the first time but when I check his career, I found a difficulty to support him to make the list. He started to play as forward since 1952 but there are many seasons he scored below average. I 'm not sure how many games he was switched to Defender since 1952 but article describes he move to forward position permanently. He is also less than wjat I expect in international club career, Juventus was beaten by a large score in two European competition and he scored no goal. He has only one great European Cup season which the club made the quarter-finalist. For Wales national team, he participated in only World Cup first round due to injury in quarter-final. In World Cup qualifying round, he participated just twice tournaments which cannot compensate what he missed in major tournament. I really give him in high point of ability at AAA- and even give him greatness bonus at 2, he is still calculated below Overath 0.7 point. I need to review again but I assume he is regarded so high for hi speak ability and all-round players

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  41. Ozymandias5/09/2015

    I see, according to your rules, Laudrup (81,4) must be in front of Romario (81,5) because his Total Score is higher and 0.1 is not significantly different, Romario (81,5) must be in front of Walter (81,6) because his Peak is higher and 0.1 is not significantly different, but Walter (81,6) must be in front of Laudrup (81,4) because 0.2 is a significant value. So you are stuck in some kind of loop, it isn't?

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  42. Ozymandias5/09/2015

    I think that Garrincha should be in front of Ronaldo because they have equal Final Score, equal Peak, but Garrincha has a higher Basic Score.

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  43. Recently I have found some point to improve. I'd revise and explain as a final conclusion.

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  44. Anonymous5/14/2015

    Pedernera is two times on the list.

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  45. Ozymandias5/15/2015

    I think he updated the first half of the list (1-50), but the second half (51-100) is not yet updated, so that's why Pedernera appears two times on the list.

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    1. Hi, Ozymandias, thanks you for following. Like you said, it has not been updated and I'm going to complete the important revision soon.

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  46. Dear, Readers

    Now the important revision of top 100 best players ever has been completed in detail as below ;

    The maximum point of domestic competition in expanded to 60 to help players with limited opportunity in international competition get less effects. However, players in international-club era and belonged to high competitive nation is given at 55 maximum domestic proportion. This criteria is clearly different o positional hall fame so the ranking between them can be contrary in many cases.

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    1. Anonymous5/16/2015

      When you say "international competition", do you mean "international competition with a club" or "international competition with a country"? Or both of them?

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    2. Anonymous5/17/2015

      Will you use this criteria in positional hall of fame too or will you leave it a s it is?

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    3. As written, Positional Hall of Fame is used different criteria. It is limited minimum proportion of international country at 10 and international club at 3.5 (This value come from comparison with nonparticipation amount. Players with limited opportunity in international football will be much less effect such as George Best, Laszlo Kubala, etc.

      Different criteria because I see the all-time greats is a narrower extent of players and more competitive than positional hall of fame and the international stage become more important.

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    4. Anonymous5/17/2015

      I see, thanks.

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  47. For equal result (not significant different = or > 0.2), the conditional rule is arranged by this sequence.

    1) Peak Performance 2) Basic Score 3) Total Ability 4) Lowest Performance 5) International Performance (Both)

    However, there is a exceptional case for the league of comparison in example ;

    Sivori : Total Score 77.6 with Peak AA+
    Schiaffino : Total Score 77.7 with Peak AA
    Vogts : Total Score 77.8 with Peak A+

    As I show only fist decimal, difference at 0.2 can be below 0.2 (like 0.18 in example). In the case of the league covers only difference between 0.2 - 0.24. If compare Vogts and Sivori, Vogts will beat Sivory by total score. However, in the league, he is beaten by Schiaffino by peak and Schiaffino is also beaten by Sivori by peak successively. For this case, Peak become the first condition and Sivori is at the top of the league.

    International Optimization : If player has a greater point in international football (there are a minor cases), they will be given the maximum proportion in either or both club and country competition.

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  48. Anonymous5/23/2015

    I think that Moreno deserves an AA+ in his Peak Performance, coinciding with the Evaluation Result in the positional hall of fame.

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  49. Anonymous5/24/2015

    I really think that this Messi la liga season deserves to be in phenomenon class. Compare it to his other seasons and meybe revise your decision? http://www.whoscored.com/Players/11119/History/Lionel-Messi
    Their ratings are statistical, not subjective.

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    1. Media rating in dbscalcio even rate him in this season at highest point. If look stats of impact level (assist + goal)/team goal, this season is very similar to the 2011 - 2012. However, I think Messi is really phenomenon in the second half of season (scored 25 goals in 19 games). I actually give him phenomenon-class as aforementioned but forget to revise his class in domestic.

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    2. Anonymous5/24/2015

      So you counted second half of the season as phenomenon?

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    3. As a result of Revision, there is only 0.1 of total point for Messi to overtake Di Stefano. However, it is not for forward list in Positional Hall of Fame due to different criteria by given less international weight for players who has limited opportunity of participation.

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    4. Anonymous5/24/2015

      Is there full 0.2 difference between Messi and di Stefano or is it less, if it's less than Messi should be in front because of prime. I also strongly suggest that you should add at least some age bonus for Messi, after all he is born in June 1987 and in 2007 he was second in world player of the year, scored his most famous goal against getafe that year and in 2008 he was also 2nd best player in the world.

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    5. Anonymous5/24/2015

      To further support my argument for age bonus, he also scored a hat-trick against real madrid at 19 years of age. Please, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0xl5ULh8dk

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    6. Bonus for young players is considered for players who achieved world-class performance below 20 years old. The case of Messi would be the 2006 – 2007 season only, I’d say he could be considered in ordinary-world-class in the second half season at best when he scored 11 goals from total 14 goals he made in the whole season. However, his productivity stats is still rather far away from the top state with only 2 assists and I think he start to achieve world-class in the last quarter of season. I also think he was named as the second place FIFA world player of the year and third place Ballon’Dor in 2007 mainly because of his performance level up in the first half of the 2007 – 2008 season. As ESM rate World XI by month, Messi was not even named in any month in the 2006 – 2007 season but the rating is discontinued from February. Note that I consider player at the half of season at least so bonus status for him would be dulled. Anyway, please not get hurry, he would be ahead of Di Stefano after the UCL final match will have been ended if not injury or incredibly down in performance.

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    7. Anyway, I found I was too harsh on him in 2008 when he is deserved world-class in the whole season. As a result of revision, his domestic point is slight increased (0.17) but it has been enough for him to get ahead of Di Stefano in WAGF.

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    8. Anonymous5/25/2015

      Ok, as you say he earned his second place in 2007 mainly because of first half of 2007/08 season, but he was still 20 years old at the time. Unless you only consider 19, 18 and below years and not 20 years, in that case I agree that he shouldn't get a bonus.

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  50. Anonymous5/25/2015

    Do you think that the referee is a part of football and the referee's decisions can affect the success of clubs like Henning Ovrebo did? Would you consider it as an objective assessment of achievement of the players or teams? And I also wanted to ask more about Messi's score would be like if he won the treble this season?

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    1. There were some mistakes impact on history of the teams. In example, Puskas did not offside when he scored a goal in the 1954 World Cup final and if Hungary won the trophy, Fritz Walter would be much less praised. I'm not taken this into account since the greatness of Fritz Walter is actually existed. Anyway, I'm interested to collect the info of referee's mistake which largely impact on football history and write as an article.

      Sorry, I'm not sure on your question about Messi. Please repeat it in clearer sentence.

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    2. Anonymous5/25/2015

      Thanks for the explanation. I mean if Messi won the treble this season, can he has more point in the scorecard? Can you give me a direct number?

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    3. I thought of Treble Bonus. As I never taken number of trophies into the system of player evaluation, I’d prefer give the trophy bonus to only manager part.

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  51. Anonymous5/30/2015

    Do you count the performance in Olympics Games (an under 23 competition), the Under U-17 World Cup, the U-20 World Cup and others Under-Age competitions?

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    1. No, it is not recognized as an "A" international official match.

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  52. Anonymous6/07/2015

    where is nordahl?

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    1. His total score is below top 100 because this list is given higher minimum international proportion and Nordahl was too limited in international career. In contrary, he is ranked higher than Ademir in all-time greatest strikers list as it is given more flexible for limitation of opportunity.

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  53. Anonymous6/08/2015

    Really, Nordahl played 33 matches for Sweden and scored 43 goals. He has an Olympic gold medal in London. What about George Best? Is he a successful international career?

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    1. Nordahl primarily played in friendly matches. The 1948 Olympic game was participated by U-23 team and the importance of competition is relatively low. Note that he get low point due to limited opportunity even he did a very great jobs in friendly matches against lower level European teams like Finland and Norway.
      George Best ? He is ranked just around 30th because his international career is too limited when his domestic club was fulfilled as a phenomena.

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    2. Anonymous6/08/2015

      1948- AUSTRIA-(Decker, T.Wagner, Stojaspal, Ocwirk, Korner, Happel), DENMARK-(Praest, K.A.Hansen, J.A.Hansen, J.L.Sorensen, Pilmark), HOLLAND-(Lenstra, Rijvers, Wilkes), SWEDEN-(Liedholm, Nordahl, Gren, S.Andersson, H.Carlsson, E.Nilsson, K.O.Svensson), TURKEY-(Kucukandonyadis, Gulesin), YUGOSLAVIA-(Bobek, Cajkovski, Mitic, Stankovic, Vukas, Wolfl, Matosic)

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  54. Anonymous6/08/2015

    I am very surprised that Romario better placed than Michael Laudrup. Romario is a great player who has played only a superb season (93/94). This season, the Netherlands, and especially Brazil are not the top as far as the competition. In Europe certainly would score goals, as he was doing in Brazil. It's not the same level.

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    1. They’re considered in the same level. In only basic score, you can see M.Laudrup has a significant higher point but the system is also allowed the age bonus for players who stand for a great performance based on the standard of age and Romario is exploited from this feature.

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  55. Anonymous6/08/2015

    I see Carl Aage Praest constantly slowly falling. Be careful, this is a player who ended his career before the launch of "ballon d or". It has been certainly a hindrance in proving his greatness. In the 51/52 season he was elected the best player in serie A in strong competition.

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    1. As the rating is considered performance in overall career, his prime is relatively short. He debuted in Danish top tier very late at 24 years old. I’m not too sure how great of him in Danish league but Osterbros finished just at 7th in the last two seasons (there were only ten clubs in the top league) before he moved for Juventus. Also, he is somewhat limited in opportunity in international country participation. Please give me a source that he was rated as the best player in Series A at that season.

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    2. Anonymous6/08/2015

      L'ala Præst. Seppur meno prolifica sottoporta rispetto al passato, in quest'annata la «freccia danese» si mise maggiormente al servizio della squadra, e col suo gioco si affermò quale miglior uomo di fascia del torneo.[2]

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    3. Anonymous6/08/2015

      http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juventus_Football_Club_1951-1952

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  56. Anonymous6/08/2015

    Praest played 5 top season for Juventus (2 times champion, 2 times vice champion, and one 3rd place), and two more years with a very good game with no particular success for Juventus.

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  57. Anonymous6/08/2015

    ilpalloneracconta.blogspot.com

    A little about Praest. It says that the Praest after Orsi best left-winger who has ever played in Italy.

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    1. Based on this mention, I think of other great names of left-winger who ever played in Series A, there is only Skoglund who is named in my top 50 and just next to Aage Praest in ranking.

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  58. Anonymous6/08/2015

    ilpalloneracconta.blogspot.com/.../karl-aage-hansen.ht.
    ilpalloneracconta.blogspot.com/.../karl-aage-praest.ht.
    ilpalloneracconta.blogspot.com/2012/.../john-hansen.h...
    ilpalloneracconta.blogspot.com/.../helge-bronee.html

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  59. Anonymous6/08/2015

    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-karl-aage-hansen
    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-flemming-nielsen
    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-jorgen-leschly-sorensen
    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-ivan-jensen
    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-harald-nielsen
    http://ponderingcalcio.net/http:/ponderingcalcio.net/danes-in-calcio-john-hansen

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  60. Anonymous6/08/2015

    http://www.martiperarnau.com/historias/santoral/karl-aage-praest-el-fantastico-extremo-kobmendense/
    http://www.vecchiasignora.it/default.asp?id=3109
    http://www.lastampa.it/2011/11/22/sport/calcio/qui-juve/addio-a-praest-vinse-con-boniperti-TJeV3E4lcV12qTcYL0nfkJ/pagina.html
    http://blog.guerinsportivo.it/blog/2011/11/22/non-e-mai-troppo-praest

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  61. OK Thanks, I'll review based on your link.

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  62. Anonymous6/09/2015

    DOMESTIC- Roberto Baggio became a regular for season 87/88. He played 17 seasons. He won two championships and one cup. A large part of his career he played in clubs that were not top and no chance for a trophy. Michael Laudrup has become the standard in early 1981. 12 seasons spent in clubs: Juventus (4), Barcelona (5), Real (2), Ajax (1). With all of them was the state champion. He won seven championships and two cup. He played another standard 3 years in Denmark (Copenhagen, Brondby) and two in the Lazio. One year in Japan. In Denmark was the best player. In Lazio was the best player. The Juventus played a great first season (4th place- "ballon d or"). Other season, Juventus was second. He resented that scored only 3 goals. That was also Platini (31 years old) scored only 2 goals. Scirea was old, Cabrini was hurt. Other players were insignificant. Laudrup worst season was 87/88. Juventus led Rush, who is not fit. Last season with Juventus, Laudrup was the best player. A career in Barcelona did not need to speak. In Real Madrid's season 94/95 was the best player. Season 95/96 was second, just behind Raul. After only two years in Real Madrid, in 2002 he was elected as the 12th best player in history, and in 2013 was elected the best 11 foreigners in the history of Real Madrid. In Ajax won the double crown. And you were Baggio better in domestic championships ???

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    1. Thanks for providing the comments. The score I provided is derived from checking media rating and comparing with other sources of individual awards and statistical analysis. I’d prefer you comment on my scorecard which season is underrated or overrated and I will review.

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    2. Anonymous6/12/2015

      The combination of the quality of their games and trophies in national championships I would have rated this: BAGGIO (phenomen clas :-), (supreme w.c: 92/93, 93/94), (ordinary w.c: 91/92, 97/98), (supreme i.c: 88/89, 89/90, 90/91, 94/95, 00/01, 01/02, 02/03, 03/04), without placement: (87/88, 95/96, 96/97, 98/99, 99/00.)

      LAUDRUP (phenomen class:-), (supreme w.c: 91/92, 92/93, 94/95), (ordinary w.c: 85/86, 90/91, 93/94, 95/96), (supreme i.c: 82, 83, 83/84, 88/89, 89/90, 97/98), without placement: (81, 84/85, 86/87, 87/88, 96/97).

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    3. Why do you consider the 1995 – 1996 season of M.Laudrup as a world-class performance ? Real Madrid finished only 6th. I watched football extremely in that year and M.Laudrup was declining and passed his peak already.

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    4. Anonymous6/22/2015

      I may be a little overestimated that Laudrup season. I've watched a lot of football then also. Real did not end well. For me, Laudrup played great. In 29 games scoring 8 goals. Then they resented in Madrid to be too concerned with their wines. It was one of the main reasons for his departure. Spanish newspapers were unsuccessful this season for Real, praised Laudrup games. I'm not sure that Baggio earned in season 97/98 world class reputation. Bologna was eighth in Serie A. He played great. Played a attacker. He was taking free kicks and penalties. Similar qualities as Laudrup in season 95/96.

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  63. Anonymous6/12/2015

    VAN BASTEN- (phenomen:-), (supreme w.c: 91/92), (ordinary w.c: 85/86, 86/87, 88/89, 89/90, 92/93), (supreme i.c: 84/85), without placement: (82/83, 83/84, 87/88, 90/91).

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    1. Thanks for determining the class. Please give me a time as I'm rather busy now.

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  64. Anonymous6/22/2015

    Ronaldo should be in front of platini in int. club list.

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    1. 0.01 is not a significant different value. If score is equal, the amount of highest class will be compared and Platini has a higher amount of supreme-world-class.

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    2. Anonymous6/23/2015

      Ok.

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  65. Anonymous6/22/2015

    How is Messi's european super cup 2011 just ordinary class? He participated in both goals, scored one and assisted the other, and it was an amazing assist.

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    1. I think it's fine, will revise.

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    2. Anonymous6/23/2015

      I would appreciate that. Just check both goals and see if you change your opinion.

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  66. Anonymous7/27/2015

    Who is the best player from the time before first world cup, pre 1930?

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    1. The highest peak would belong to Dixie Dean. The All-Time Best should be Jose Leandro Andrade.

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    2. Anonymous7/27/2015

      And a best player who finished his career before world cup, or at least his international career before first world cup?

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    3. It is likely to be Imre Schlosser from Hungary. In that era, no one came close him in productivity in the similar standard of competition.

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    4. Anonymous7/27/2015

      I couldn't decide between him, Friedenreich and Meredith.

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    5. They both were not successful enough in international football. Meredith played in second division in many seasons. I'm quite sure Freidenreich has a better career.

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  67. Anonymous8/11/2015

    Really interesting are these elections. There are still players who have played differently and changed football. Players who were football geniuses.
    These are: Pele, Maradona, Messi, Cruyff, Di Stefano, M.Laudrup, Beckenbauer, Sindelar, Zidane, Ronaldinho and Best. Baggio, Rummenigge, Rijkaard, Van Basten, and even Matthaus were a little overestimated.

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  68. Anonymous9/02/2015

    How often do you update your database? Every half season? Every season? Specially for contemporary player like Messi, C. Ronaldo, etc.

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    1. Every half of season and update at the end of every international tournament.

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  69. Anonymous9/15/2015

    Everyone knows that of Maradona, at least until Zidane there was no better players than Laudrup. Matthaus, Baresi, Maldini are big names. On account of its durability and nationality can not be in front Laudrup. Gullit and Van Basten also on account of its quality and career should not be ahead. Putting Romario and Baggio ahead Laudrup is even a bit ridiculous.

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    1. Laudrup is acknowledged as a superior skillful players but he did not prove himself enough in NT competition, is very disadvantageous. Regrettably, he should have led Denmark to win the 1992 Euro but it was not happened.

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  70. Anonymous9/19/2015

    Great, great job! Thanks for the history lesson ;)
    I just have 1 question. Why is Kubala ranked so low (96th)? In particular, I don't understand why he is behind Thierry Henry in this ranking whereas Kubala is just in front of Henry in the ranking of the greatest forwards (16th for Kubala, 17th for Henry).

    Thanks

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    1. The criteria between WFHC and PHF is slightly different. In footballer ranking, the list is more competitive due to congregation of players in all positions, therefore the international competition is given in a higher proportion than that of PHF. That also means the great players who is limited in international competition is less effected in PHF. The current best example is Messi and Di Stefano. Messi is ranked higher in WFHC but it is ranked in contrary way in PHF.

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    2. Anonymous9/19/2015

      Thanks for your explanation, it's very clear :)

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  71. Anonymous1/15/2016

    How is Messi's uefa super cup 2015 not phenomenon class? I know that it wouldn't make much difference but seriously, how? This obvious bias for pre 21st century players is what stains your work.

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    1. Anonymous1/15/2016

      Don't get me wrong, I love your research, for pre 90s players there is no better place to get knowledge than on your site, but you are really underestimating 21st century players.

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    2. Messi scored two superb goals by free-kicks and also navigated to Pedro's decisive goals but I think he participated to the team slightly too few and Sevilla could get draw in 90 minutes.
      Most 21th century players are still active and their career is cumulatively ongoing. No issue to compare them seriously to the past players who have a complete ended-career.

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    3. Anonymous1/15/2016

      http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/956886/LiveStatistics/Europe-UEFA-Super-Cup-2014-2015-Barcelona-Sevilla
      As you can see he had most touches in his and opposing team, so if he didn't participate nobody did, 88 passes (3 out of 3 long balls accurate), 8 shots, 6 dribbles, 1 through ball, 2 key passes, and he was fouled SEVEN TIMES, that's the only way they had a chance of stopping him, and still failed. I really don't understand how could he played any better. You say that Sevilla managed a draw in 90 minutes but that's not his fault, it's on team as a whole, you always say that you don't consider team success when evaluating players but it looks like you do when it can hurt Messi or C. Ronaldo. Also, I understand that they are still active but when looking at classes of some of their seasons and competitions I really don't see how some of them are not higher or some of other players lower, for instance, Messi's domestic 2011 season just can't be the same class as Zidane's 2002 or Best 1969.

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    4. What I mean is he participated to create Barcelona's goal opportunity a little too few. He shot 8 times but on target only 50 %. I see Daniel Alves passed more often than him. Messi made 2 keypass when Rakatic made 5 key passes. So, when a key player could not lead the team to even sustain advantage, he was just not influential enough to be rated in phenomenon-class.

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  72. Anonymous3/08/2016

    These pages are down for a long time: http://xtrahistory.blogspot.rs/2014/06/Introduction-Map.html
    http://xtrahistory.blogspot.rs/2015/10/the-team-evaluation-result.html

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    1. OK it has been retrieved. I’m not sure why it was down. Thanks anyway.

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    2. Anonymous3/09/2016

      No problem.

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  73. Anonymous4/15/2016

    Can you make a ranking with the best "domestic club + international country" players? It would be nice.

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    1. I'd prefer not make it since domestic + international country is not categorized in anything. If you want to know, I think the sum of score in the scorecard is easy to make the list in afew minute.

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    2. Anonymous4/19/2016

      Ok, thanks anyway. Yes, at first sight is easy to see that Maradona is the first player and Pelé the second player in a "domestic + international country" ranking.

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  74. Anonymous4/19/2016

    Xavi and Iniesta better than Figo and Henry? You can argue they'd make a better combo(tough I still wouldn't agree) , but as individuals? No way mister!

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    1. In the individual peak, Henry and Figo is superior but Xavi and Iniesta is much more consistent in world-class performance of international football. Surely they must compensate the inferior peak performance by the big consistency to beat Henry and Figo.

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  75. Anonymous5/02/2016

    hello..i love your research and your dedication to collect so many datas...but i think you are emotional because of your age and you enderestimate new players.can you answer me?
    1)why ronaldinho has better score from robben at international obligations?robben has lead bayern on 3 finals and 2 semifinals on champions league much more from vrazilian...also at national teams he was the best player on wc 2010,2014..he dribbles ans scores like vrazilian but he is much more years on top level...the only negative his injuries?
    2)how zlatan and anri with enormous offer at italian end english championships are below ronaldo and ronaldinho?they were scoring on average 20 goals every season and have unbelievable duration??how many timew these players were voting NO 1 at serie a ane premier league?
    seriously??

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  76. 1) The rating of Robben in international club is not showed in the database so I provide now.

    Ordinary World-Class UCL10 (0.85),13(0.8),14 (0.6)
    Supreme International-Class : UCL12(0.8),15(0.3),ES13

    Although he got a better opportunity in UCL, he did not play well enough in 2013. Also, Ronaldinho's peak in 2005 - 2006 is rated higher than that of Robben. The injury is another effects on his longevity.

    2) Similar to my answer in question 1. Ronaldo and Ronaldinho's peak is significantly higher than Zlatan. The more consistency in lower level of performance by Zlaton is not enough to compensate his inferiority of peak according to the system.

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    1. Sorry I mistook in typing, Robben did not play well enough in 2012 not 2013.

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  77. Anonymous5/02/2016

    ok..thanks for the rapid answer.
    2 questions?
    1.cristiano ronaldo best premier league player on 2007,2008
    ibrahimovic best serie a player on 2008,2009,2011...
    why these players are not a phenomenon class not even supreme world class on these years?they were voted the best and lead to champions...is your opinion that they are ordinary world class?
    2.your mistake is that you are supporting emotionally some players and teams..you think that good players live on decades 1980-2000 because you think that the defenders were best...but if now the forwards are more tricky and obviously they have more physical and technical skills now..i am 36 and you are 38 and i understand you..
    answer me pls and anyway i admire you time to collect all these datas..

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    1. 1) The performance of the awards winner between years are basically different. They’re rated based on performance statistical analysis such as productivity, influential level, participation level, etc. including seasonal rating by media.
      The class is hierarchically arranged based on comparison with the group of top players.
      Ibra in his peak at Series A by then is considered not to be as dominant as CR7. I means he was less in creating opportunity of score by himself or the opportunity he created is not as good as what CR7 made. That’s why he played in more advanced area.
      Ibra played superbly in Series A but there were not many continental level superstars in the league. He was great against lower standard opponents than CR7 so he could not be rated in the same class.
      2) I never said players must be always better of play in the era of defensive fever but it is undeniable they’ve proved in more difficult level of competition.
      Anyway I’m 36 not 38.

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  78. Anonymous5/03/2016

    i think that you easily rate supreme and phenomenon world class on some players on early decades..for example pele,garincha,ziko,nti stefano have so many places on these levels wheareas on these eras they were not serious defenders and the champion competition was easy...but Cristiano,Ibra,Anri,Robben who played in premier league and serie and budesliga are not deserving this high level...
    I am 36 like you and i was astonished my Raoul achievement on CL 1998,2000,2002 on TV... he was terrorist...this player for you is not deseving not even a supreme world class...
    i rate your effort to collect these datas(patience,research) as excellent but your evaluation is surely not 100% fair..

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    1. Oh you’re the same person who complaint for Raul’s rating. Raul is too limited for supreme-world-class and I’m positive on this. Raul was great in technique and positional play while he was not fast, limited in aerial games and could not take a full role of deep-lying forward well enough. He had an impressive overall quality of skill but really not superb in a specific role. There is explicit that so many other forwards performed a higher peak than him.

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  79. Anonymous5/09/2016

    hello..great work!how Ronaldo 80,2 on International with his team?he win uefa cup with much lower value of ch.le..he played with Real and Inter with the best players in the World but he failed emphatically..this person is superion on International from Sevchenko,Giggs,Robben WHO had played so many finals on Cl?you have seen much champions league or 3-4 years?5 times more diffucult from Uefa(Europa league)..These tournaments differ the most important players..

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    1. It seems to be strange but playing in more final matches does not enough if their performance is too limited. Here is rating of Ronaldo's int club performance

      Supreme World-Class : CWC97 (0.8), IC02, UC96 (0.5) : Total 1.1
      Ordinary-World-Class : UCL03 (0.6), UC95 (0.1), UC98(1), SD93 (0.6) : Total - 2.0
      Supreme-International-Class : UCL04 (0.6) : Total - 0.6

      * SD means Copa Sudamericana where Ronaldo scored 8 goals in only 4 games.
      * The parenthesis means ratio between number of games participation/Total games
      * In total score, UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup are already calculated in the less coefficient value (UC - 0.9, CWC 0.7).


      Here is that of Giggs

      Ordinary World-Class : EC99(0.9), IC99 : Total 1.0
      Supreme International-Class : UCL97(0.55),01(0.6),03(0.6),05(0.3),07(0.6),09(0.9) : Total 3.55

      Shevchenko

      Ordinary World-Class : UCL99(0.8),03(0.5),05(0.9),06(0.8), ES03 : Total 3.0
      Supreme International-Class : UCL98(0.6),01(0.5),04(0.3), IC03 : Total 1.5

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  80. Anonymous5/10/2016

    i think the values(UC-09,CWC-0,7) are overestimated...the teams on CL are much more stronger..the europa league is on the level of serious friendly matches..not more..English and italian teams are not taking seriously because they have domestic obligations.
    Shevchenko was much infuental and enormous on UCL on 99..he has lead Dinamo(the best perfomance all time) on semifinal alone with Rebrof..also on 2005 he has won the golden ball.
    what is the effect of supreme world class in telation with other classes?is having a coefficient value?
    I estimate your job..you know that is unbelievable to rate all the players because they are so many parametres and the value of them is objective..anyway you are making a great job...

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    1. European Cup is set Coefficient to UCL at 1.0 even it is less competitive due to the fact that the European Cup is the best condition players need to prove. However, performance of players are already considered against standard of competition so this is no problem. In comparison to European Cup, UEFA Cup is reduced by 1 when you could imagine how many times 2nd place of the league could qualify to UCL semi-finalist, finalist or even champions.

      Your English is need to make understanding. Anyway, my works is not aimed to be scientific experiment but I believe it can be reduced subjectivity to reach the reliability level.

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  81. Anonymous5/10/2016

    The problem is that new players are underestimated at the list...in almost every list as you google it, you will see Henry,Raoul,Iniesta,Giggs and other players of 2 last decades...Also Puyol,R.Carlos,Ramos,Lahm were infuential personalitiew WHO have won all the trophies ,but your reason why they are not so Special is that they did not play football on ages (1980-1999)

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  82. Anonymous5/17/2016

    i have seen you updated players perfomance for 2016...how we can see the perfomances of all players at European cups and domestic championships?i am interested for Marez,Kante,Souarez,Ntibala,Levadovski,Vardi

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