tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post4533855309072410527..comments2024-03-24T08:27:23.897-07:00Comments on World Football Historic Center: The Footballers Evaluation ResultNaratorn Wirunhchatapanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comBlogger390125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-11631671307597075072023-10-07T03:43:20.538-07:002023-10-07T03:43:20.538-07:00Zidane & Brazil Ronaldo are overrated, both Zi...Zidane & Brazil Ronaldo are overrated, both Zico, Matthäus are more skills more productivity than Zidane, same thing for Muller and Ronaldoالاسطورةhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10873570428116447934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-61107670184886536532023-09-06T09:27:02.043-07:002023-09-06T09:27:02.043-07:00I think Messi and Maradona domestic scores should ...I think Messi and Maradona domestic scores should be updated (97.4 -> 96.7 and 96-> 95.6 according to your new computations). <br />Also what about putting C.Ronaldo 2015 domestic entire season as Phenomenal: this was his best season individually speaking Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-55415014691884498992023-08-08T07:41:28.060-07:002023-08-08T07:41:28.060-07:00Maradona and Messi's domestic scores (and henc...Maradona and Messi's domestic scores (and hence total score) should be corrected.<br />Maradona : 96 -> 95.6<br />Messi : 97.4 -> 96.7<br />according to your tables.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-52859463338431465112023-01-28T01:38:55.781-08:002023-01-28T01:38:55.781-08:00Could you add the ranking in very category for eac...Could you add the ranking in very category for each player of the final top 50 please ?<br />I mean I would like to see, at least, every top 50 player rating in Domestic, International Country/Club.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-10897211552589378852023-01-26T14:15:28.840-08:002023-01-26T14:15:28.840-08:00Could be interesting if you do a Top 100-150 or ev...Could be interesting if you do a Top 100-150 or even 200. With the positional ranking tables you have made, I don't think it should be that difficult even if the methodologies are slightly different as I understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-88452129155577908132023-01-23T12:21:35.659-08:002023-01-23T12:21:35.659-08:00To be sure I understand, to Ronaldo you give 96H a...To be sure I understand, to Ronaldo you give 96H as SW. <br />Does it mean you count him as SW for a half of 1995/1996 season in PSV ?<br />You give also 97H as SW and 97 (0.5) as P.<br />Does it mean, P for half of 1996-1997 than SW for the other half.<br />I don't understand If you split by year or season or if you counted twice half SW by mistake because it's strange to me to give SW in PSV but why not ?<br />Can you please clarify ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-6147710792545732312023-01-23T02:06:35.443-08:002023-01-23T02:06:35.443-08:00I think Pele's ranking in International Cupsho...I think Pele's ranking in International Cupshould be updated according to the revised score (86.5). Same for Cruyff National team ranking (84.0) and hence behind Zidane and C.Ronaldo. Also noticed many equalities (Cruyff, Ronaldo, Beckenbauer => I think Ronaldo is above them to be fair thanks to his consistency). 4 players at 85. 4 players at 80.7. I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-53722690197801937712023-01-21T07:02:34.460-08:002023-01-21T07:02:34.460-08:00I agree. As far as I am concerned and I only found...I agree. As far as I am concerned and I only found Hitc7 relating this. Zidane is probably the most overrated among the player eligible to "top 10 all time in people minds."<br />He is one of the greatest for sure but he is a playmaker and not a playmaking-attacking type of player that can playmake and score a lot. And I agree with you I don't see him more skillful than Ronaldinho or even a less considered player like Rivaldo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-51965375571457376422023-01-19T10:56:07.850-08:002023-01-19T10:56:07.850-08:00The ability rating of Zidane is really strange for...The ability rating of Zidane is really strange for me. Ronaldinho is faster and more agile than Zidane but has probably less strength. From an attacking point of view I don't see how Zidane can be rated above Ronaldinho prime. And in practice you rate better Zidane because of defending skills. 6.3 looks high for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-26825501782724999972023-01-16T03:02:24.154-08:002023-01-16T03:02:24.154-08:00Also tend to agree. Even for the Champions league...Also tend to agree. Even for the Champions league score. He was instrumental in 2015, good in 2020. But apart from that only great against weak teams in group stage.<br />A kind of player who is very difficult to judge at the end as he s inferior to Ronaldinho or Rivaldo in terms of achievements despite having better statistics and being very skillful.<br />In general, I even think that his career is not greater than Henry's or even Benzema's onesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-86741396110384727522023-01-14T07:29:40.937-08:002023-01-14T07:29:40.937-08:00Tell somebody he is a fanboy when he is trying to ...Tell somebody he is a fanboy when he is trying to understand something arguable is really mature.<br />Very useful comment from somebody that probably thinks he knows a lot in football but had probably never taken the time to review and analyzed all world cup game available as I did. I don't say Messi is the greatest, if you want to know, I just try to understand how the rating is done and ensure players are evaluated the same way no matter they are called Messi or Zidane. Legends must be respected by new generations, but, on the contrary we shouldn't do what we say is bad from new generations and be disrespectful to newer players.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-57200070806002379842023-01-14T05:09:07.900-08:002023-01-14T05:09:07.900-08:00Note France reached finals twice without Zidane. M...Note France reached finals twice without Zidane. Moreover during WC 1998 it was not a so big issue to reach final without Zidane. But our discussion was more on the WC 2006 performance itself compared to Messi WC 2022. And to say everything the focus is more on Messi WC 2022. Comparing to others people performance is a way to argue.<br />I also see some people talking about Baggio's performance you qualified half P if I remember. The gap between P and OW is huge compared to the feeling some have when we see the games.<br />There is always a debate between make the difference with goals, orchestrate the game etc.. so maybe Messi was only OW at orchestrating but you can also add to this performance an amount of goals that changed the game.<br />I mean a playmaker doing Messi may have got OW and a forward evaluated for his ability to make difference with goals would also get OW. For example what do you give to Griezmann in WC 2018 ?<br />In a general manner, and this is what you have started, if Messi's performance is only OW, a deep reviews of performances in EC, WC... will lead in a decreasment of performances.<br />Anyway I think, we will forgive if you don't change your mind and will keep to appreciate the good work you are doing on the site. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-32187066196064105292023-01-14T03:22:07.329-08:002023-01-14T03:22:07.329-08:00Read the comments above. Funny how these Messi fan...Read the comments above. Funny how these Messi fanboys are trying to force the author to rate him as SW and on the other hand downgrading all the other legends. Classic from the most childish fanbase everAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-45879673697659370722023-01-14T02:39:44.251-08:002023-01-14T02:39:44.251-08:00Not very sure that would be easier for messi to pl...Not very sure that would be easier for messi to play in France 2006 squad even if the players on paper were better. For me in 2022, he had literally 10 players with almost "no status" who were ready to die for him and do all the necessary runs (this is actually the best way to take the best from Messi). In addition, I am tempted to think that nowadays having a very very strong group with strong mentality can be enough to go far in international competitions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-29329680591968192962023-01-14T00:17:55.611-08:002023-01-14T00:17:55.611-08:00I would avoid determinate formula that player has ...I would avoid determinate formula that player has to lead the team to win title to achieve supreme-world-class. Most obviously, Cruyff in 1974 world cup was superb but he was still a player could not conjure everything. Now, the main focus is how different between having a player and without them. France in Zidane era reached finals twice and he was the main orchestral player of the team. Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-44207967115952595562023-01-14T00:13:23.292-08:002023-01-14T00:13:23.292-08:00I see also that performances in world cup have bee...I see also that performances in world cup have been decreased. I have also reviewed all the footage I could find on world cup. For example Garrincha in WC 1962 is said to be a phenomen. I don't understand when I see the games. Maybe supreme world class but for example in final Brazil is a bit lucky to win in my opinion and he is not as good.<br />Hagi in 1994 is also said to be SW, he is great yes, maybe to congrats the performance with Romania (a not major national team with all my respects)<br /><br />Most probably a review must also be done on EC and CA. Platini in my previous understanding of the performances was undoubtedly a phenomen but now if Messi is OW I am not sure anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-67264166121243308792023-01-13T10:50:03.650-08:002023-01-13T10:50:03.650-08:00Do you think Zidane would have won the world cup w...Do you think Zidane would have won the world cup with this Argentina. On the contrary France 2006 had Makelele Vieira Ribery Henry... a much more complete team for a playmaker in which it's easier to play than this Argentina... Without the goal vs Mexico I have doubts Zidane would have been able to score for example, nothing could happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-59019384227502046712023-01-13T00:50:35.505-08:002023-01-13T00:50:35.505-08:00I could read in some comments you may do a review ...I could read in some comments you may do a review of Messi WC 2002 performance.<br />Are you done with it ? (I see the tables has moved but the OW performance of Messi remains)<br />Inspired by others comments criticizing ZIdane WC 2006 seen as SW<br />I will ask one question: do you think Zidane with Argentina at WC 2022 would have won the world cup ? Remember Zidane was playing with Henry, Vieira, Makelele, Ribery, Thuram ... in a 4231 made for a playmaker ... strong at every line ...<br />Personally, I feel no, but on the contrary I see no problems with Messi to win the world cup 2006 as the playmaker of a team made for a playmaker.<br />And in practice both are playmakers.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-13058879454415251272023-01-12T01:32:36.451-08:002023-01-12T01:32:36.451-08:00The fact is that we don t see the scores in detail...The fact is that we don t see the scores in details from Lewa, Kane , Muller etc. Maybe they were awarded the same way for the qualifiers. Also his performances against Sweden (which is probably one of the best teams not qualified to WC) was pretty insane. I think this is the reason whyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-74780589958249229672023-01-12T01:29:05.851-08:002023-01-12T01:29:05.851-08:00Should be the competition level I guess. National ...Should be the competition level I guess. National teams Zidane faced were much better as the international level during WC 2006 was pretty insane. Also Zidane is less advanced than Messi who is between the attacking midfielder and the second striker. <br />But once again many scores of major players have been decreased Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-47709859392346164772023-01-12T00:52:48.767-08:002023-01-12T00:52:48.767-08:00but most probably the 4 goals overrated himbut most probably the 4 goals overrated himAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-75677856632278834192023-01-11T09:24:54.104-08:002023-01-11T09:24:54.104-08:00What you say is interesting, this is another point...What you say is interesting, this is another point I see mentioned in the comments. S.Mane, Salah, A.Sanchez... and modern players are used to play in high pressing game contributes also a lot at defending and it is not reflected enough in the skill evaluation. If Gullit could be so helpful at defending task it was also because the style of play of Sacchi, unique at this period in Italy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-30919170020824789602023-01-11T04:13:40.403-08:002023-01-11T04:13:40.403-08:00The same as Rivera, Moreno, Ronaldinho who underpe...The same as Rivera, Moreno, Ronaldinho who underperformed in NT career and ranked behind Gullit but they're a super performer in club part has the similar profile to Gullit. As Gullit was a phenomenal complete player and helped defensive task tremendously. Italian gave very high score of seasonal performance to him, one of the highest rates in history even in the same level as Maradona.Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-16094934233747068362023-01-11T03:40:16.638-08:002023-01-11T03:40:16.638-08:00How Gullit is so high in the ranking of greatest p...How Gullit is so high in the ranking of greatest player of all time ranking being only in domestic part here ? I tend to think he maybe decrease in rankingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62415257096904665.post-56862924609354735662023-01-11T01:37:30.186-08:002023-01-11T01:37:30.186-08:00But why Zidane remain SW in 2006 ? They have been ...But why Zidane remain SW in 2006 ? They have been playing with Messi the same role. He hasn't scored a lot (3 goals and 2 penalty kicks) and was maybe SW vs Brazil but kind of SI in group stage, OW vs Spain, OI vs Portugal, and OW vs Italy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com